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@Lluuu: Perhaps " Punished " was the wrong word. ;) @fozzer:Don't get so defensive, it's a chat so relax. I have been streaming this clans servers since then, I have been around far longer than that I assure you. The issue that I have is, why do the lite at all, it just makes the admins have to make a decision on whether or not a ban is processed. You guys are doing that on standard bans already. If people are going to want to use the service, they will get the requirements in line and use it then. " Oh sorry, you don't meet the requirements, but here, here is a lighter service you can use that will help you", Doing for those that didn't want to meet the requirements in the first place is commendable, but let's face it, if there are those out there that are streaming and hiding their hackers, it would have probably been better to work on a method of closing shop on them than giving more to a Lite Service. At this point, it makes Pbbans look exactly as GGC (or rather members at GGC) are calling it. Bullshit. Not my thoughts, just saying, that is what is being said. The LIte streaming came up as a marketable idea because they (GGC) allow you to stream with them with less strict requirements.

@Magnet, I have been around pbbans far longer than this account. I remember when pbbans was covering just sof2 and a few other games. Since even then, people have locked down thier forums and do not give an account of who is on their roster on their main site. They make it viewable just to get streaming and then take it out. To have such requirements means the responsibility of treating all fairly and checking up on such requirements, don't you think ? @Maydax I guess my thought is, why should all be "punished" with having to adhere to such strict rules/requirements, while others can now get a lite option and still have worry free streaming bans. I mean, let's face it, you are going to stream your server if you have hacks and cheats in your clan? People that are here want to be here and, WANT the streaming and everything that it is capable of doing. Some don't want to run a clan (as has been said ), or have need of running a website. Why should this now be a requirement at all. In actuality, we have had this conversation before maydax. Many years ago actually. When Depetris was around.

@Maydax Does this come on the heals of the issues that came from the attempted establishment of a relationship with GGC streaming? Many of the questions that I have found on the GGC site had to deal with why does pbbans need such strict requirements for people to stream? Especially (as another person stated) most of the clans lock down their site after they are streaming so you can't check their membership or for other reasons.

My bad m8.. 8 am in the morn.. Should have had baileys in my coffee.

Actually, there is a "parent" company. If it is owned by another business, whether each are separate entities or not, it is still a parent company and "new bosses" as someone had written. And yes everyone is having a problem with SOF2. We are actually testing out a "patch" right now, and if it weren't for Raven releasing the source we wouldn't even have that to work with. Sof would be dead at this point and the master server could go down and no one would care. Wrong. There is no benefit to locking down the server files other than people can't change and run the server as THEY see fit. You are correct, gaming has taken a turn for the worse and we as gamers let it happen. It started with BF2 and just continued. If we support the developers in letting them take away what pc gaming is based on, of course they are going to put us to the screws. No mod tools? No Dedicated server files, P2p hosting and matchmaking? Leave that to the console market. BattleField2: SF wasn't free though. It was a paid for add on that they decided to put out for download later on down the line. So if you are like soo many that bought it, you were pretty hostile hearing they gave it out for free. And yes if you do purchase a Dedicated Box for your community, you can get a ranked server installed, you lose out on Remote Desktop Access though. **Side note Xfactor Servers was also sold. The new company is doing quite well with it. No the new company wasn't a gaming company, but a webhosting company. So like so many other times, as with the AwoC buying wolf, service didn't go down hill, it went up. **Second Side note: Sim: You are correct with the issue of SOF3: Payback. Terrible that they allowed the game to fall so far as to be done by a value developer, but then , they had the title sitting on the shelf and didn't think they could come close to the success of 2. It was indeed a terrible game. I was only brought on board with the SOF3 payback site to lend it some sort of credibility. I was once known as Merrick. I still moderate for Gamingforums/soffiles.com

Thats Brilliant, Thanks for that :D

Hi, I am a sysop from the Vaudvillany Clan {Vv}, My clan leader wants me to get us streming to pbbans, However Our old sysop Code0x33 registered a streaming account with you guys, and none of us have any details for it etc, And he is no longer contactable or in the clan. Can you help me with a workaround for this please, Thanks, Nix0r{Vv}