Alright but are you saying someone caught by Punkbuster with a full on aimbot, wallhack whatever-the-heck-hack only is kicked for 2 minutes? No such hardware bans exist? Where is the deterrent? I'm thinking PB is really a disgrace if that's true. Or are these two minute kicks for mild offenses like a cvar tweak. I mean seriously, EA for example pay no doubt tens of thousands to PB which indirectly comes out of our pockets when we buy games and they dish out 2 minute slap on the wrist. Ha, what a rip off, that makes me almost as mad as hack users.