Mayjay
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mayjay. the bans you referenced are if you look on the list at EB for removal from there system, pbbans staff also removed them after EB declared a false positive.
same will happen with this ban IF EB declares a false positive. it has been said by the staff many time.
untill EB declares a false psoitive the violation will remain in the system.
if you feel that EB is wrong then work with them.
Either I'm crazy or there's a bug in the time stamps but the violation was took out by PBB on the 12 feb, an update was made the 24th quoting EB's removal and EB's page state the removal on the 21 march. So to me, unless you can correct me on this, PBB can choose when they want if they wish to remove a violation from the global ban list.
we will not waste a second of time to "investigate" a false positive due to CE, we are not silly you know, neither will we discuss evenbalances policies (file a trouble ticket yourself to find programs disallowed by punkbuster) here - it simply does not make any sense. if you wish to continue to avoid doing your homework (as i will not continue to repeat myself: read the whole topic for a start) and sequentially catch a cheat violation: that is your choice.
I'm not discussing EB's policies, I'm discussing yours. You seem to have a double standard regarding this subject. You know EB will never tell anybody about anything, that's why you choose to revoke the violation 89246 without prior any statement from EB. You want proof but you don't accept them when they come from people who were caught, so yes unless you investigate this I don't see how a proof can be presented.
What cause the difference in treatment ? The type of program incriminated ? For you macro programs deserve the benefit of the doubt but not CE? To me that's hypocritical. Macros can be used to gain advantage in multiplayer. There's no indication about CE being used in the multiplayer. What's the crime of CE, allowing people to cheat on their single player games ? That's a reason to global ban players ?
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its not on us to prove its not its on the ones who used it and thus got banned, one a cheater always a cheat, even in single player games
I can find at least one occasion where PBBans staff investigated about a false positive : http://www.pbbans.com/forums/viol-50074-bans-removed-cod2-t145852.html. And people investigated this violation and found out you can be ban just by having the progam on. And again on several occasions bans were lifted by Pbbans before any reaction from EB.
Come on Mayjay all cheats are created with legit tech tools. Using these multipurpose tools with selfish bad intentions is nothing new. If you think your "alleged" cheat argument is valid then it sounds like some rookie decides to code his own cheat program, joins a server and finds out 2 or 3 mins into game it doesn't work. Then he gets banned by EB for gamehack, gets his panties in a wad files an appeal stating he never cheated in bf4! It never worked so how can you say I cheated.
As it stands now, if it walks and talks like a duck.....doesn't matter you better be able to prove that is really a dog in the park or in the very least a dog and duck walk and talk the same. Unless something new pops up its a pretty dead issue
You can't ban 500 people because 10 or 50 will abuse, that's not how justice works and apparently not how pbbans works (http://www.pbbans.com/forums/viol-89246-89296-and-89229-bans-removed-bf3-t156615.html). Macro programs can be used to cheat or gain an advantage but many use them for other reasons. The right call was to transform the ban into a kick. And I don't see why it could not be the same case here. The ones that will use CE in the intend of cheating (even if no proof of such case exists yet) will still be kicked and unable to connect. The innocents will know they have to get rid of it. Those cases are pretty similar.
Mayjay, there is one fact you are either not aware off, or chose to ignore.
this ban list is voluntary, if you can join other servers that do not stream, then do so.
all of us here PAY, yes thats right PAY, for our servers so we can play games the way we want to, with people we want to.
it is our choice who plays, and if we have decided that someone running ce isnt allowed to play on OUR servers, then they dont play.
I for one ban players from bf4 who have been banned in bf3 and moh:wf, and if a ban shows from an earlier game, i ban them as well.
once a cheater, always a cheater.
why should i let someone play if i dont trust them?
You're totally in you right to do so, but other streamers should have the occasion to choose if they want to prevent the access on their servers for that reason or not. Like in this case : http://www.pbbans.com/forums/viol-89246-89296-and-89229-bans-removed-bf3-t156615.html.
That you want to force the choice on everybody is not right.
And once a cheater, always a cheater doesn't apply here since you can use CE for many things but cheating like you can use macros for many things but cheating.
But of course I still respect your opinion even if I disagree. You're in your right when you choose who you allow to play on your server. Heck you could even prevent me to join your server because I have a different opinion and I would find nothing to say about it.
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Alleged cheat please. CE has many other uses but cheating in BF4 multiplayer doesn't seem like one, unless you can prove it of course.
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Well first of all I didn't cheat so thank you very much, and I don't cheat either in other multiplayer or singleplayer games.
Edit : feel free to verify http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/soldier/Maywiki/stats/295415530/pc/.
That you don't understand why people want or enjoy cheating in their singleplayer games doesn't matter, they're free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't interfere or disturb other player's enjoyment.
doesn't matter of i can be used in the particular game it was running and has been tested and confirmed to cause a ban.
So did AutoHotKey, yet the global ban issued by PBBans was lifted almost two weeks before EvenBalance made an announcement about it.
And a macro program could allow you to auto spot which is considered as a cheat. But since many players have those macro progams and use them for many things it was just and fair to give them the benefit of the doubt and let PB kick them without adding a global ban in top of that.
Again, that you understand or not why people use CE, that you find it morally right or wrong is not the point. Your "mission" is to promote clean and safe multiplayer environment in the games protected by PB, not being a judge of morality about what players do on their machines in the privacy of their homes.
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so have i, im not banned, i think it has more to do with CE which IMO is and should be a valid reason for the ban.
CE can and is used in Multiplayer games
Can it be used in BF4 though, that's the real question and the main point that should be discussed. You clearly do not have any issues with players using macros that can be used to have an unfair advantage in game (http://www.pbbans.com/forums/viol-89246-89296-and-89229-bans-removed-bf3-t156615.html). Yet here, the simple fact that people have CE installed for their singleplayer games bothers you.
In both cases EB only gave kicks, but here because there's the word "cheat" in CE you choose to global ban. I have yet to see a proof that you can cheat in BF4 multiplayer with it. And don't tell me you need a declaration from EB since you didn't need one for the 89246 case.
What happened to the "one innocent banned is too many" ?
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You do realise that even if PBBans took all those bans off the MBi then you'd still NOT be able to play on a PB server as you'd keep getting kicked for the violation by PB.
PBBans just makes the kick a ban, but either way you'll not be able to play on PB enabled servers which equals 99% of them.
The ban will only be rescinded by EvenBalance. There is nothing that PBBans, GGC or anyone else can do.
I think the issue here might be that most of the people who received the ban ignore they're banned. Of course I might be wrong since I contacted only a small portion of the players banned for the same violation and you have the numbers of those who effectively appealed. But most of them ignored that fact simply because they could still play on the officials servers for example. For them it was either a BF4 bug or a punkbuster issue since they were able to play on pb protected servers without being kicked.
I informed those players and told them they can appeal that decision to EB so that hopefully they can have a clearer picture of what's going on.
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Okay so what should I do ?
You still haven't told me how my brother is supposed to prove his innocence ?
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So why PB doesn't give a perma ban for that violation but you do ?
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Seems some have missed what I posted so I will repost the relevant sentence again;
What's the point of having a appeal function then ? Seems to me like it doesn't matter if you cheated or not on the game protected as long as you have a cheat for any other game you own.
How am I suppose to prove the innocence of my brother if the simple possession of Cheat Engine makes him guilty ?
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why is it unjustified. a third party program was picked up that altered a memory process.
pb is clear in that anything that can alter the game may result in a ban
And I thought the purpose of PB was to ban people who cheat on multiplayer games they protect. Did any responsible person at ppbans tried to reproduce the ban via cheat engine ? I'm ready to risk my own account and reproduce it on demand, tape the all operation if it can help.
It might be me but if you ban on the possibility of a hack that can happen but didn't, well you go way out of your purpose. Why not banning all windows users then ? By using it you can alter pretty much anything you want, including the game, if you apply the same logic then pretty much anybody could be subject of a ban.
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Can you explain a couple of things here.
[...]I don't know NaiduR, and I don't want to sound stupid but does it really matter if his demonstration is valid ?
If using CE on anything but BF4 while playing the game results in a ban well I think that's a serious issue. The full ban is unjustified in my opinion.
Now you can argue that it's being stupid to have CE open and active while playing BF4 but I fail to see how it is a justification for a ban. Maybe some were using it to effectively hack, I don't know, but what about the others ?
I think the reasonable solution here would have been to give a warning to the players, telling them that having CE running while playing the game triggers PB and thus it should be disabled or uninstalled prior to the launch of the game to avoid a ban.
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@Mayjay, i found it by mistake one time but i do remeber it, i have since i said that tried to find it my self and can't. i know its there but cant remeber where i did find it.
If you remember it let me know. Or any other way to prove innocence ?
it looks like this violation is "just in case", we don't actually know if U cheated in bf but U could have...
anyway why not every pb ban is a global ban?
So you might have cheated we don't know, but thanks for your 100 euros it was nice of you. Thank God our justice system doesn't work that way.
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I told them there was cheat engine for a game on facebook and I know that just the fact of having that program triggers PB, but how to prove it wasn't used on BF ?
you might find that he may have lied to you. you say he hasn't then have him prove it by digging into his computer and looking at things. i find in the even viewer there is a section (if it wasn't deleted) that will tell you everything that has been DL, installed or even moved. look there for anything into the origin folders.
I'll do that.
Well how do you find that part in the event viewer ? I can't even find that on my computer. If you could explain me how to do it (here or on pm) that would be nice.
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I understand but it feels pointless, EB says for us it's valid but the third-party ban list can choose to lift the ban, PBB says nope. And that's with no more evidence than PB detected something. So what's the point of having an appeal function ?
I can't even play with my brother on my team server since we use pbbans.
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being a repair shop owner you wouldn't believe the things installed on computers and then the owner says well it had an ok button so i clicked it.
Oh that I know, my mother's computer was a real hell hole. I had to explain her what to do and never do when using a computer and going on internet. ^^
The thing that I don't get is how to prove your innocence when there's no evidence of hacking. Sure PB says gamehack, but what does it mean exactly?
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Hi again, since the appeal on ppban got denied here too I'd like to have more information. So the ban is not global ? Is it permanent or time bound ? Is the account banned or the ip (to know if buying a new game is useful or not) ?
Even if I'm not the one banned I'm kind of pissed off. I know for a fact that my brother wouldn't cheat on BF, I thought him not to and always took care of teaching him to account for his responsibility. He cheated once 6 or 7 years ago on my cs source account which got banned, I made him buy me a new license with his own money. Since then that's how he gets games, he buys them with his own money so that if he messes with them he's the one who loose. And trust me it's not like money grows on threes in our house, so when he bought BF4 + premium it was quite the investment for him. You don't mess with money when you can't afford to loose it and he knows it. This is not limited to games.
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If anyone is interested, EB gave an answer :
We do not find this violation to be triggered in error, and it will not be removed. It is at the discretion of the third-party ban list administrator to remove any ban given as a result of this violation.
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My brother and I thank you for your help.
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The appeal needs to be done with pbbans and EB ?
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Hi, I registered on the behalf of my brother who can't speak English, mine isn't perfect so please excuse me and correct me if I do wrong.
He didn't know he was banned from a server until an other player sent him a message telling him that he was and gave him that link : http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-viewban-9519848b-vb326879.html
I obviously asked him if he cheated and he answered me that he wouldn't do that on a game who costed him around 100 euros.
Knowing that PB can be triggered by a wide variety of things I investigated a bit more and asked him if he had anything that could be related to a hack or cheat. He told me that he uses cheat engine to cheat on candy crush on facebook (don't ask me why).
I'm not familiar with those things so I apologise if my questions sound stupid. So he was ban on that server, but he can still play on others who are also protected, how does it works ? The ban is only transmitted to the servers who are covered by pbbans ?
Is it legitimate to be banned on bf4 for cheating on another game? As I understand it PB can only detect programs used to cheat but can't see the game or application the cheat was used on ?
What should he do now ? Is there something to do ?
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What proof ? Go for it, I'm honestly interested. If you can prove CE was used in the multiplayer of BF4 I will shut up about it and admit I was wrong.
And which statement of mine was incorrect ? There's no discussion possible if you just say "False". What part is false ? That AutoHotKey could be used to cheat ?