Everson
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They open a ban appeal with whoever has banned them.
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Both are as important as each other, various features rely on certain information being relayed from and to the server.
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UCON = Inbound and Outbound Streams
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A topic lock achieves nothing but gives the impression that PBBans isn't prepared to defend it's very valid viewpoints within it's own community.
In IRC yesterday it was discussed that had this topic have been posted over at GGC it would have been locked or deleted long before now. This topic isn't personal, it's factual and therefore has no reason to be locked - if there was flaming or heatedness then it'd be a different story.
If GGC wishes to enter a behind closed doors discussion with us then they are welcome to do so, however, when statements are made in public they deserve responses not censorship and avoidance which goes against a PBBans key objective of transparency.
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Take the tip and utilize it or not. A simple tip off should be enough for you to act and investigate, another area we appear to be more proactive in based on your response - if you determine that no action needs to be taken, as per your own policies, then don't take any but atleast investigate!
All I'm highlighting is clear flaws in your "quality checking" and your system, it's constructive criticism - you've come here and repeatedly posted responses "defending" the GGC position in response to "attacks". Whereas all we've done is post facts, which I've already said are not "attacks".
The fact that you have an individual, with very deep ties as a member of staff at a well known cheat site is worrying in itself: an individual which actively interacts at GGC and utilizes services - thus making your system extremely high risk.
We've tried with GGC in the past, we really have - the "partnership" didn't end for no reason: http://www.pbbans.com/forums/clearing-the-air-t147568.html issues which GGC still refuse to acknowledge and accept today: http://www.ggc-stream.com/news/124/PBBans+cancels+Partnership+with+GGC
Similarly I think we've made our point - many posts ago in fact.
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In the interest of "working together against cheaters" then could I suggest that you run full background checks on all of your commentators on the GGC "PBBans cancels Partnership with GGC" announcement thread.
Atleast one of them has an EvenBalance violation and one of them is associated with a well known cheat site, oh and they're streamers at GGC! *facepalm*
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It's always best for server admins to use the 'Enforce Bans' flag within their AccCP on each server. Really the downloadable ban lists are something which should be occasionally downloaded for use in the rare event of the hub ever going down - ensures old bans aren't enforced, etc, etc.
We have discussed the removal of public banlists or the dating of them to only have bans 30 days+ within, not only to encourage streaming but also to avoid incidents where outdated banlists are being enforced. Nothing's changed there for the moment and I don't believe there are immediate plans to either.
If you like public ban lists does sort of encourage streaming because it shows part of what we have to offer, however, promotion is also an aspect to be seriously considered so people know what the benefits of streaming with PBBans are: live banning, MCi configs, etc, etc
In addition to that the banlists are handy for those to use who don't meet our streaming requirements but are able to, and well if cheaters want to enforce our bans on their servers too then they're more than welcome to.
The biggest thing that'll bring in more streamers to PBBans is effective anti-cheat within the gaming community, good communication and promotion while banlists and their availability is a factor... it's part of a huge picture.
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1) Update PunkBuster on your server;
2) Ensure you're running the latest game patch;
3) Update all your PB config's with those from our MCi (link on top navigation).
If the issue still persists open a ticket (seen only by yourself and staff) and copy in all of your PB configs.
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What about it? I mean we could do point, counter-point, but what does it actually achieve?
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Bottom line is any streaming system is insecure.
Now when you know something is insecure and you also know there's very little you can do to mitigate that situation you'd normally work on reducing the risk involved - which is exactly what PBBans does.
However, (and this has always been a big sticking point) reducing that risk ultimately means ensuring you have some requirements in terms of whom is able to utilize your services. To say that GGC incurs no increased risk through allowing home servers, and known cheaters/cheat coders, to stream "does not put GGC at an increased risk" is tenuous at best.
Let's be realistic about the situation it's not an attack to say "blahblah" is vulnerable to attack, it's a fact.
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9.0 is out now - no doubt we'll be on 15.0.1 by next December.
Will get a PBBans Toolbar update out ASAP.
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There are currently over 3,000 servers not streaming, we're working on attempting to find solutions but our options are limited.
We'll post updates as soon as we have them :)
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All but 3 BF3 servers hosted in the same Data Centre as PBBans are offline.
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Streaming is still offline.
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Sorry my wording isn't up to scratch tonight...
You can report the player to EA on the basis that they've clearly used some kind of cheat/exploit to rank up.
In terms of banning this player; we (PBBans) only ban based on known cheat/hack files being detected which are a positive match to cheats stored within our database - our bans are only issued on servers which stream to us and we are an opt in service.
PunkBuster only bans when EvenBalance issues bans for particular violations, i.e. a cheat is given a violation number and stored in a database, PunkBuster then reports x, y, z users of that cheats and bans are issued.
Neither us nor EvenBalance will issue bans manually for this person - only upon detection of a known cheat.
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You'll need to contact Electronic Arts to report stat padders.
We and EvenBalance (PunkBuster creators) only ban based on cheat file violations and known hacks.
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I totally agree! It should have kept in private from the beginning.
As http://www.pbbans.com/forums/clearing-the-air-t147568.html/page__view__findpost__p__382362
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Here's the thing that really raises my question. GGC states that they were not given enough lead time in order to respond. So I wonder how much of a lead time did Maydax gave to the folks at GGC on the matter.
Email 1: Sept 2nd, 2011;
Email 2: Oct 16th 2011.
After the second email was sent we implemented a message which would display based on a referral from ggc-stream.com
http://www.pbbans.com/err_msgs/ggc.shtml
Traffic originating from GGC-Stream.com is now redirected to this message.PBBans blocked the GGC website from accessing our banlists and has repeatedly requested they cease importing our MBi. We have done so for more than one reason but the biggest reason is they are encouraging admins they do not need to stream to PBBans which even led to some server admins dropping PBBans entirely. Their reason for that suggestion is because they import and enforce our bans anyway.
We import and enforce bans as well but we do not suggest anyone drop streaming to another site. It was never our intention to replace any 3rd party anti-cheat website with the EBL in order to gain streaming exclusivity. In fact we often promote server admins to multi-stream to others to make a better anti-cheat community.
There have been other incidents that we ignored over the many months because we didn't want to start an AC war. Only people who win in those are the cheaters. Since streaming servers is what makes PBBans so effective, we will not allow anyone to import our ban lists and have them encourage users to cease streaming or not sign up with PBBans because the server admin can use an enforce bans option. Without streaming servers, fewer cheaters get caught and that is against our goal. I'm sure server admins know what it's like to have a player come in your server and spam their server info or clan website in a hope to attract players away from your server. It's disrespectful to say the least.
We didn't want to resort to this but in the end we have to protect ourselves and our goals. Server admins can stream to PBBans, AON, GGC and others simultaneously therefore we feel this decision is best for us but doesn't affect the anti-cheat community.
GGC then implemented anonymous linking which we interpreted as an attempt to circumvent the display of the message; thus resulting in our position now.
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Viol 89246, 89296 and 89229 Bans Removed (BF3)
in MBi News
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http://www.ggc-stream.com/news/133/Violations+%2389246+and+%2389296+%28Allegedly+Auto+Hot+Key%29
It'd be neglectful for PBBans, and other third party A/C organisations, not to act in the best interests of this community where seen appropriate. We do not make cavalier (Showing a lack of proper concern; offhand.) decisions and we have a reason for everything we do - which should now be very clear.
While we appreciate that there is an illegitimate use for AHK (allegedly) there is also a large legitimate use. Where we can not guarantee that a ban is conclusively as a result of a cheat/hack it is given the benefit of the doubt; it's how we maintain the integrity of our service and MBi.