MaydaX Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 Situations like this just further distance game devs from using PB, instead running straight into the outstreched arms of VAC. Actually many developers don't even consider anything outside PB itself. They contract PB and trust it's all they need. Devs are not going to VAC because of what happens in the 3rd party AC community. It's more because PB is becoming increasingly problematic (from the customer support side) and outdated over the years. It's fine if you have experience with PB but new users tend to have more issues and contact customer support. Another Victory for the Hackers. Can't we behave ourselves and all focus on the real goal here. I don't see it being a victory. If we thought this would hurt the AC community we would not have done it. The partnership was mainly both sites exchanging banlists. When GV removed their banlist for download and we removed them from the EBL, I didn't read many complaints about it from anyone here. No matter what people think of GV they are banning cheaters like the rest of us. But when we make a simular move we are suddenly the bad guy. If we didn't want to fight hackers we wouldn't be here honestly. As I said before, if admins stream to PBBans, GGC and others simultaneously and it's the same protection. In fact it's better as you get live ban updates instead of a once per day update. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpGive Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 Yes there are 2 sides to every coin but also understand that you dont really need the EBL. I streamm to both PBbans and GGC and will continue to stream to both, since I want all the protection against hackers that I can get. And I also want to say thanks to PBbans for posting their side of what happened in their forums. GGC also posted their side of what happened on their forums but my respect for them drop a little when they took it to the P4F forums. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BladeRepper Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I believe this is a hit to all streaming servers that can't stream from PBBans because of restrictions. (I am honoring the rules) I choose GGC-Stream because it included PBBans in the streaming. I couldn't get past the requirements for streaming on PBBans. (Website roster for Clan) That works if you have a clan. I am just a lowly single server admin with a few friends/coworkers with limited management rights. This is where GGC-Stream shines for me. I liked having the well known and good PBBans backed stream but also a second good source from GGC. It didn't matter where it came from as long as i got the stream. I think basically there is a communication issue between the two parties. Maybe a more direct email address with the two parties would have worked better than Webmaster email address. God knows I never check that inbox. I can only hope this is resolved soon and a trust is reestablished between the parties quickly. As I miss my PBBans Stream. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GV]FruitY Posted October 20, 2011 Share Posted October 20, 2011 I don't really see where the victory goes to the hackers in this case. Of course there are always two sides of a story but at the end only the result counts. And in this special case the winners are the players, server admins and of course the AC itself. Because every AC have its own ban system and ban period for different violations there are always problems in keeping the shared bans synchronized. So many players got unbanned by one AC but still being banned on the other AC because the ban list isn't sync'd. Same goes for Bug-Ban-removals. Also banned players now know exactly where to go to when getting kicked, since every AC have its own kick message (including the AC url). Server admins that choose to stream to all ACs will have all bans and takes only 1-5 minutes (depends on the register steps of each AC). Since the most ACs using the live ban system there is no need to upload any ban list. Means less work for the admin at the end. If a AC decide not to share its bans, then this is their right and also gives them the full control over their bans, without the need to inform other ACs about bulk ban-removals. Also they keep their own justification. What would be the need of streaming to different ACs if you get all bans from a single AC. You wouldn't even think about to stream to any other AC. In short, I understand the decision of PBBANS and respect it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaydaX Posted October 20, 2011 Author Share Posted October 20, 2011 I can only hope this is resolved soon and a trust is reestablished between the parties quickly. As I miss my PBBans Stream. The chances of that happening are dropping with GGC posting their message on sites outside of GGC (ex BFP4F). It's one thing to post such a message on our own sites but posting on official game forums doesn't show me they want to work it out but instead it makes PBBans look bad. That's why we never posted it on any forums outside of our own. And for the record I did ban the GGC hostname from IRC but it was not because of what they did. It was a really bad day for me in real life and I just wanted all the crap to end. I never kicked anyone currently in the channel. I knew it was wrong the next day and I promptly removed the IRC ban. Oct 16 11:01:34 * MaydaX sets ban on *!*@staff.ggc-stream.comOct 17 14:50:39 * MaydaX removes ban on *!*@staff.ggc-stream.com I'm not afraid to admit that I was wrong for doing that. We are only human after all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHarry Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 The chances of that happening are dropping with GGC posting their message on sites outside of GGC (ex BFP4F). It's one thing to post such a message on our own sites but posting on official game forums doesn't show me they want to work it out but instead it makes PBBans look bad. That's why we never posted it on any forums outside of our own. One of our admins posted this news like every other news from our site. This has no special reason nor the intention to make PBBans looking bad. Sadly it is a loss of security for the admins, who are restricted to only one streaming provider. Even if you multi-stream (with all possible advantages), there's always a risk, that an AC maintains there servers or gets attacked and so on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[GV]FruitY Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Sadly it is a loss of security for the admins, who are restricted to only one streaming provider. Even if you multi-stream (with all possible advantages), there's always a risk, that an AC maintains there servers or gets attacked and so on.... I somehow have to disagree on that. There is no security loss at all for server admins. The opposite it is. Now server admins can easily follow which stream caused the kick, added which checks and so on. Transparency will be the result. So far I haven't seen a single server admin who is restricted to just one stream provider. About the last sentence... I am sure that server admins fully understand that every AC have to maintain their servers from time to time. Also they already know that every AC get DDos'd sometimes. Don't think too bad about AC users, they will understand. Also it is the AC responsibility to do the maintenance at a wisely picked time. At all I don't think there is a need to "disagree" with the decision PBBANS made. Every ongoing "argument" will just lead in a fight who looks better. Which should never happen on a public forum anyway. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHarry Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 FruitY' timestamp='1319180013' post='382638']So far I haven't seen a single server admin who is restricted to just one stream provider. For example one of the biggest german providers (which you know too) is restricted to one AC since BF:BC2, so please stick to the truth. FruitY' timestamp='1319180013' post='382638']Every ongoing "argument" will just lead in a fight who looks better. Which should never happen on a public forum anyway. I totally agree! It should have kept in private from the beginning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everson Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I totally agree! It should have kept in private from the beginning. As http://www.pbbans.com/forums/clearing-the-air-t147568.html/page__view__findpost__p__382362 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BGArmySHH70 Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) As a streaming admin I can't take a position "a victory for hackers". I have experience with simultaneous streaming to pbbans and GGC. I can't say that simultaneous streaming causes lag. The reason to cancel my streaming to GGC was motivated with the cooperation between pbbans and GGC. In this situation, simultaneous streaming was unnecessary.Certainly no one here encouraged me to do this. This should be a free choice of every admin. But if information that GGC really are encouraged server administrators to stop streaming to pbbans is truth - this is not correct partnerships! In my country/not Mongolia/we say: „The neck of the wolf is big because he brings his own lamb alone!" I guess in your language this can be a little strange, but I have no doubt that you will understand the meaning. :) Edited October 23, 2011 by BGArmySHH70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maester Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 (edited) Coming from someone who never used GGC I cant say much against them. However regardless of whether they post news from there sites they should have never posted this issue on a global forum like BFP4F or on Facebook & Twitter. Seems they are trying to harm the AC community more then help. In addition to that the email was sent via the real name of Maydax, which was unknown by the project management So again they are saying they didnt even know who Maydax was? After the access via the public port was not possible anymore, we had to guess, that blocking this access was a safety measure against DDoS attacks. Therefore we used an alternative path to align the banlists as we could not assume that there was the intention to block specifically our access So again after the message of you being blocked you decided to follow through with other methods to get this list? Why didnt you come ask instead of assuming. Now with that said. This just gives people the ability to stream to both PBBans & GGC. Like Maydax has stated PBBans has been one of the few to even allow download to public banlists. If people can live without it from PsB and GV then why cant people just do the same here. The only good thing I saw was the ability to see if they were banned on another AC other then that without it being synced constantly we cant be sure that the banlists from other AC sites are reliable. So I see no issues with this its not hurting the community and the hackers arent winning. On a side note. For those of you who were denied streaming to pbbans and were able to access the banlists etc from another AC I kinda see this as a breech if PBBans was going to allow you access to there info they would have allowed you to stream. Regardless if it is a clan member or yourself who was caught hacking I dont see any reason for you to have access to the info you werent supposed to have in the first place. So I dont see it as a bad thing. Yes I love seeing AC work together for the greater good and if it works out great if not then people still have there options. Just remember everyone points a finger at the other but it proves who the better man is when they only discuss amongst there community and not the world. Edited October 24, 2011 by Maester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urs0 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 So, instead of talking to each other with skype, msn, whatever. Just e-mail sent by the two sides Thats real effort Congrats to both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 So, instead of talking to each other with skype, msn, whatever. Just e-mail sent by the two sides Thats real effort Congrats to both This topic seems to be going around in circles and nothing posted is going to change or improve things. An admin can stream to 16 anti cheat sites at the same time if those sites use PBUCON as their streaming initiative. If an admin wants to use the banlists of PBBans / GV / AON / GGC then all the server admin has to do is set up streaming to each site. If an admin also wants to use the PsB banlist, that's no problem either because as the sole anti cheat site remaining that uses the old rep. style method of streaming, you can use them too. By maintaining their own individual banlists, each anti cheat site is responsible for their own banlist integrity and upkeep. It also makes it a hell of a lot easier for players who find themselves on a banlist, and wish to appeal the ban,to find the right anti cheat site to make their appeal to. Not a lot more to say really, so this topic is now closed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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