Players That Base Rape On BF Games..19/Sep/2013

[wayne19540]

I wish to get your opinion on base raping on BF servers; On the game server I play on "Games.On.Net" its a no go you just don't do it; "Its Cheating" and unfair play for other players that are trying to get off there base and getting killed from some fool that thinks he or she can get the upper hand bye spawn killing with jets and choppers ; Now some of these players come on and say well we can do it on our servers;{ Hog Wash I say Get Back To Your Own Servers Then} Why if this is so why are they aloud to do it on any server; Its up to the server that you play on to uphold there server rules don't you think; Any way enough of this old boy raving on What's your opinion on this as I am interest in what you all think.

[surfy]

Personally speaking, it's impossible to admin servers all day, especially when holding down a job etc. I'm also not too worried about those kind of rule breaks to be honest, although we do have rules against it and do deal with it if we're informed of it. I find it annoying when I receive a complaint about base raping without having been given any extra information. A name would be a good start I find ;)

 

What bothers me more though is people who are keyboard warriors on the PC and who send strangers empty threats, disease curse, are racist and abusive.. all whilst in the comfort and protection of their own homes. Those people generally do not last very long on my own clans servers .

[wayne19540]

Personally speaking, it's impossible to admin servers all day, especially when holding down a job etc. I'm also not too worried about those kind of rule breaks to be honest, although we do have rules against it and do deal with it if we're informed of it. I find it annoying when I receive a complaint about base raping without having been given any extra information. A name would be a good start I find ;) What bothers me more though is people who are keyboard warriors on the PC and who send strangers empty threats, disease curse, are racist and abusive.. all whilst in the comfort and protection of their own homes. Those people generally do not last very long on my own clans servers .

Yes I do not like any one that gives hell over a keyboard with racist and abusive behavior comfort and protection of their own homes I see it a lot; Any way I just wanted people opinions on this mater ;I all so sent you a PM with Name I did send a report in on this chap as well. Edited September 19, 2013 by wayne19540

[propbndr]

We don't allow any firing into uncaps unless someone is firing out. If someone is shooting out, and you decide to return fire, you'd better be sure who you are shooting at because if you kill the wrong enemy you are considered to be base raping and will be punished accordingly.

 

How I handle it is, after a yell warning, to spawn in the uncap and immediately turn my back to the battlefield in a visible spot. If I get killed, I issue a kill command to the offender. A kick will be on the next offense, tban (normally for 1 hour) for the forth. If, after their ban expires, they are dumb enough to do it again after all of that a Pban is given.

[~*FaNtASyGiRL*~]

Baseraping is fine and allowed on my servers cause the team shouldn't suck so much that they allow themselves to get in that spot. LOL. Ok, on a more sensitive note, there are many ways to get out of a baserape but the team needs to WORK together as a team to pull out of those situations.

 

I have running messages on my server for teams to work together. I also use a balancing plugin that unstacks and balances quite well so that baserape doesn't happen all of the time since you have both sides that are pretty equally skilled.

 

For metro, I have plugins that allow players to vote to end the round early if the game becomes very dull in the first few minutes due to one side being locked down.

 

 

I also have a plugin on other conquest servers that will end the round and declare one side winner if they are 600 tickets behind.

[Singh400]

Baseraping is fine and allowed on my servers cause the team shouldn't suck so much that they allow themselves to get in that spot. LOL. Ok, on a more sensitive note, there are many ways to get out of a baserape but the team needs to WORK together as a team to pull out of those situations.

 

I have running messages on my server for teams to work together. I also use a balancing plugin that unstacks and balances quite well so that baserape doesn't happen all of the time since you have both sides that are pretty equally skilled.

 

For metro, I have plugins that allow players to vote to end the round early if the game becomes very dull in the first few minutes due to one side being locked down.

 

 

I also have a plugin on other conquest servers that will end the round and declare one side winner if they are 600 tickets behind.

Or you know...you might move one really good player to the losing side...>_> xD

[wayne19540]

Thanks a lot for the response gives a good look at how other servers handles it thank you for your feed back.

[SuperTaz]

Whatever happened to just playing these games the way they were supposed to be played and not have any rules?

 

[Chaos1907]

Whatever happened to just playing these games the way they were supposed to be played and not have any rules?

 

 

Exactly, but I liked friendly atmospheres. ;)

[wayne19540]

Whatever happened to just playing these games the way they were supposed to be played and not have any rules?

 

I agree on just play the games the way they were supposed to be played ;That world be a first for a lot of players that I have incarnated.... :bigsmile3: As far as rules well without them what do you think the games world be like mayhem I think; Anyway it keeps Admins very busy... :biggrin8:

[surfy]

Whatever happened to just playing these games the way they were supposed to be played and not have any rules?

 

 

Although I agree that too many rules can spoil the broth the same can be said for assholes ;)

[wayne19540]

Although I agree that too many rules can spoil the broth the same can be said for assholes ;)

The Word Assholes is a very good word to describe someone;

Humans and their assholes are sort of like dogs and their balls. The only difference being: It would feel awesome to lick your own balls, dumping concrete mix into your cornhole, not so much.

Artillery Shell – An old WW2 veteran used to come into a hospital clinic in the east end of London suffering from bad hemorrhoids (piles). The clinic did what they could, but they could never relieve the most painful pile, which would hang down and get stuck on the seam of the man’s underpants. To rid himself of the nuisance of this pile, the old man used to push it back up into his rectum using the artillery shell from an anti-aircraft gun he used to man in the war. One day the shell got stuck and the man was forced to hobble down to the hospital to get it removed. As the doctor was about to insert his fingers into the old man’s rectum to remove the shell he said ‘Of course, this shell is spent, isn’t it?’ ‘Oh no,’ said the old man ‘There’s enough ammo in that shell to blast a Messerschmidt (sp?) out of the sky.’ So the doctor called in the army bomb squad, who built a lead box around the old man’s asshole and defused the shell, before removing it. :party0049:

Edited September 21, 2013 by wayne19540

[LeuRPDX]

Whatever happened to just playing these games the way they were supposed to be played and not have any rules?

 

That would be fine if the maps were updated and/or designed properly in the first place. So many of the maps however are just plain broken when it comes to baserape. I don't know about you but when a game devolves to one team just sitting on the enemy spawn with the other team unwilling or unable to move (or both) then I get bored really fast. At that point I almost don't care if I am on the winning team or the losing team. If I am on the losing team I can either make a run for it and die virtually every time or I can smoke or provide covering fire to help get other people out, but 9 times out of 10 those other people don't move anyway. If I am on the winning side I can either hang back and do nothing since no one is escaping or I can join in the raping, which as a matter of personal policy I don't do, even on a BR ok server. Most of the maps would be so easy to fix against this issue, but of course they wont be, especially the legacy games.

[wayne19540]

That would be fine if the maps were updated and/or designed properly in the first place. So many of the maps however are just plain broken when it comes to baserape. I don't know about you but when a game devolves to one team just sitting on the enemy spawn with the other team unwilling or unable to move (or both) then I get bored really fast. At that point I almost don't care if I am on the winning team or the losing team. If I am on the losing team I can either make a run for it and die virtually every time or I can smoke or provide covering fire to help get other people out, but 9 times out of 10 those other people don't move anyway. If I am on the winning side I can either hang back and do nothing since no one is escaping or I can join in the raping, which as a matter of personal policy I don't do, even on a BR ok server. Most of the maps would be so easy to fix against this issue, but of course they wont be, especially the legacy games.

I don't think we will ever see the maps improved I would love to see moor room for the jets and choppers to fly in that just mite stop a lot of the fly boys getting board that's what I think what some of the problems regarding base raping is ; Maps are not big enough they are good for ground attacks any way that's my opinion I know a lot of you will not agree with that and that's OK .

[jossmeruk]

Moring guys,

This old chesnut again lol. I always find it amusing that those players who want to break every rule you have on your server. Never play on no rules server.

Why is that ?

[wayne19540]

Moring guys,

This old chesnut again lol. I always find it amusing that those players who want to break every rule you have on your server. Never play on no rules server.

Why is that ?

Well I don't have the right answer; Hang on yes I do as surfy has told us there assholes and I think that sums it up very well don't you think.

[LeuRPDX]

Moring guys,

This old chesnut again lol. I always find it amusing that those players who want to break every rule you have on your server. Never play on no rules server.

Why is that ?

 

Heh. No kidding huh? If they break the rules on a server with house rules they have the advantage in that most people are not going to break those rules, or at least they won't break them -first-. If they go to a no rules server then it is back to even footing because MOST of the people are going to do things like baserape ect. Not too hard to see their motives. lol

[wayne19540]

Heh. No kidding huh? If they break the rules on a server with house rules they have the advantage in that most people are not going to break those rules, or at least they won't break them -first-. If they go to a no rules server then it is back to even footing because MOST of the people are going to do things like baserape ect. Not too hard to see their motives. lol

I would like to know what they get out of it by cheating and that's what it is cheating ; If they do this sort of things in games what are they like at school or what are they like in the real world; A lot of times I see when they get caught out they come on to our forum and post a please forgive me I did not know the rules of this server can you unban me ;So we tell the to submit a TMR and a Admin will look at it before a Admin locks the thread and I normally give them a set of our Rules be for it gets locked 9 times out of 10 we can not get to it in time our Admins are very fast of the mark LOL ; Players that are just starting out in BF games you some times can see it was a mistake they just follow the leader of the pack and that in it self is very sad you would think be for playing on a gaming server they may just read the rules of that server they are about to play on sad thing that.

[LeuRPDX]

It is interesting that so many don't see it as cheating. Lets see:

1. They are playing a game,
   
2. The game has rules (including house rules) and
   
3. They are breaking those rules
   
4. They are hoping they won't get caught
   
5. The purpose is so that they can win.
   

Breaking rules to win a game, imo, is cheating. The fact that those same people don't hang out on servers where there aren't those same rules suggests that they know they are breaking the rules and are doing it intentionally. Then they are "surprised" that they get their wrist slapped...

[wayne19540]

It is interesting that so many don't see it as cheating. Lets see:

1. They are playing a game,
   
2. The game has rules (including house rules) and
   
3. They are breaking those rules
   
4. They are hoping they won't get caught
   
5. The purpose is so that they can win.
   

Breaking rules to win a game, imo, is cheating. The fact that those same people don't hang out on servers where there aren't those same rules suggests that they know they are breaking the rules and are doing it intentionally. Then they are "surprised" that they get their wrist slapped...

 

 

Look I agree 100% with you ;I know how frustrating it is having to always come up against the fools that keep on cheating and Hacking our servers and it gets harder every time a new game comes out; I believe its some sort of game and the thrill of try not to get court out; I played a interesting BF3 game yesterday I gave two players a warning telling them if you play on our servers you all so play with our rules or face being banned ;Know the reply I received back from them was well BF3 is dead anyway so what's my problem well I be dam 20 or 30 mints into the game our -Slayer- came into the game it was a lovely to see the banning was thick and fast it was so good to see a part from all of that I had fun and did enjoyed game in the end bye then it was past this old boys bed time :-).

Edited September 24, 2013 by wayne19540

[LeuRPDX]

Look I agree 100% with you ;I know how frustrating it is having to always come up against the fools that keep on cheating

 

No worries. I'm just commiserating with you, not disagreeing. While I'm not helping anyone admin any servers at the moment I often do and yea, at times it is real frustrating.

[wayne19540]

No worries. I'm just commiserating with you, not disagreeing. While I'm not helping anyone admin any servers at the moment I often do and yea, at times it is real frustrating.

As you may be a wear off Admin can not always be on servers they have to sleep as well believe it or not; I am a wear going on what I'm reading on your postings that your not disagreeing at all and I thank you; Any help that a gamming server pervades can get on tribal makers in a game is welcome; Unless its petty picking and that my young friend can backfire on you ; I will go after the big fish if I have to but I have been wrong be for :-(; I do not like Racist or cheating or Haks .

[DHGreeny]

I may be a little late in replying to this thread but I found it very difficult as an admin to enforce no baseraping rule. The problems I faced were, not being able to be in the right place to see it, if I did see it what was the name of the rule breaking player. Would I believe a player crying baserape when I didn't see it happen. If I monitored 1 base I couldn't monitor the other. To see the players name ingame is also hard to see, struggling to get the name up let alone read it. It would become chaos and difficult to keep up with. I ended up losely keeping the rule but wasn't bothered if I enforced it or not.

 

In bc2 and bf2 for that matter death coordinates were given to admins meaning baseraping rules could be automatically enforced and admins could customise punishment levels. I've always wanted this for bf3 but unfortunately death coordinates have never been given to us. It is a shame cause it would solve this difficulty, it would be accurate and fool proof like it was in bc2. However there is one complication, to get a plugin that would punish for those shooting out of the base and to solve the problem where players would complain that they were punished for baseraping when getting shot at from the base was a difficult one to address. Unlike bf2 there is no knowledge of the position of a player by the admin tool so automated anti camping plugins were not possible. In some respects its better to not have the rule at all. However it is your server so getting it wrong occasionally wouldn't do any harm after all we are only human.

 

One last thing the best way is to warn players first that way they get a fair chance of understanding a rule they may have missed. Then kick so they get a feel for the rule break, if they still don't follow the rules then down with the ban hammer. I think its the fairest way and all admins should employ this.

[SuperTaz]

When I owned a Battlefield 2 server I would allow base raping. It gives for a challenge. With the help of my team on VoIP, we would execute a plan to deter their base raping and own them hard. We rarely got base raped. It is called team work. Now if you have a team that does not care, then you will continue to get base raped. I actually enjoyed being on the team getting base raped because the opposing team's players were easy kills with my sniper rifle. I did not have to go far to find them. :)

 

Teamwork is everything. If you can't get your team organized, then go solo and flank the other team. :P

[-Slayer-]

.......I found it very difficult as an admin to enforce no baseraping rule. The problems I faced were, not being able to be in the right place to see it, if I did see it what was the name of the rule breaking player. Would I believe a player crying baserape when I didn't see it happen. If I monitored 1 base I couldn't monitor the other. To see the players name ingame is also hard to see, struggling to get the name up let alone read it. It would become chaos and difficult to keep up with. I ended up losely keeping the rule............

Nicely put, we don't believe any player most dribble on about nothing at the times, misconception of the game environment.

 

We do have a rule which just covers vehicles attacking the main base but the admin needs to have seen it happen and like you said the names in BF3 to read them you need to stay locked on with your cross hair for them to come up properly and at best they are hard to impossible to read while also at the time dodging tank shells etc: yourself. :crazy:

 

Section from our rules, with a nice little disclaimer in there *if seen by an admin* so players can't get up us for not enforcing the rule. ;)

Disruptive Play - Bad sportsmanship may be considered Disruptive play. ie: attacking the main team base in a vehicle etc: *if seen by an admin*

*Disruptive play will be at the sole discretion and judgement of the administrators.*