llamakiller4 Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 I was looking over yesterdays list of the latest 50 bans and (just to pick one as an example) there's a guy with this IP 71.84.236.236 who is on the recent list 4 or 5 times. The GUID changes each time, the Name changes each time, but the IP number is consistent. Why is it that a player such as this cant be kept off the servers? It looks like they are generating legitimate GUIDs on a day to day and even game to game basis. In fact, (with that guy) if you google that IP number, you will see that he has been repeatedly banned and kicked off of servers since back in the Quake 2 days. This forum board checks your IP against the banlist to let you in, cant PB even do that? I absolutely hate cheaters. LK4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcE Posted September 5, 2007 Share Posted September 5, 2007 This forum board checks your IP against the banlist to let you in Really, who told you that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamakiller4 Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 (edited) Really, who told you that ? Since you ignored what I posted and focused on the "banlist check", I figure it must be important to you. Had I known of this I would have screencapped it for you. So I wasted some time joining again to get that screencap for you. Below is the screencap. Maybe someone else will address the post. BTW: That user was banned at least once more today and I suspect tomorrow a few times and the day after. have a nice day. LK4 (Im assuming they mean a board banlist, but my point is the same) Edited September 6, 2007 by llamakiller4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 I was looking over yesterdays list of the latest 50 bans and (just to pick one as an example) there's a guy with this IP 71.84.236.236 who is on the recent list 4 or 5 times. The GUID changes each time, the Name changes each time, but the IP number is consistent. Why is it that a player such as this cant be kept off the servers? It looks like they are generating legitimate GUIDs on a day to day and even game to game basis. In fact, (with that guy) if you google that IP number, you will see that he has been repeatedly banned and kicked off of servers since back in the Quake 2 days. This forum board checks your IP against the banlist to let you in, cant PB even do that? I absolutely hate cheaters. LK4 Most IP's are dynamic these days and for every static IP you come across there will be a thousand dynamic IP's. The one constant that is totally secure is the pbguid assigned by the server when a player connects. All anti cheat sites use this one constant to apply bans. For free games that are PB supported i.e ET / FEAR / WARROCK its particularly frustrating having the same player banned time and time again but imo its up to PB to make it a lot harder to attain a new cd key for these games,and to apply hardware bans to serial cheaters like the guy your posting about. I personally ban any static IP I come across that has a cheat conviction on servers I run. btw your duplicate account has been deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamakiller4 Posted September 6, 2007 Author Share Posted September 6, 2007 Most IP's are dynamic these days and for every static IP you come across there will be a thousand dynamic IP's. The one constant that is totally secure is the pbguid assigned by the server when a player connects. All anti cheat sites use this one constant to apply bans. For free games that are PB supported i.e ET / FEAR / WARROCK its particularly frustrating having the same player banned time and time again but imo its up to PB to make it a lot harder to attain a new cd key for these games,and to apply hardware bans to serial cheaters like the guy your posting about. I personally ban any static IP I come across that has a cheat conviction on servers I run. btw your duplicate account has been deleted. Again, using this guy as an example 71.84.236.236 He is being banned by pbbans several times daily, every day. He has had the same IP number being banned from games all the way back to Quake 2 days. If it falls back to serverops to ban an IP number, then the guy will be able to work his way thru several thousand servers. When I look at his entries - the GUID is different for everyone one. The name is different for every one, but the IP is the same. This is a condition that should not exist. I agree that static IP's present more problems, but they shouldnt be able to generate Usernames and GUID's automatically that are accepted by the system. Thanks for deleting the duplicate account. I have offered many suggestions to the PB team and they seem interested, but it just doesnt seem to have any impact. Im hoping that the story about Intel working on a hardware monitor to work in conjunction with games is the holy grail that we seek. (although, Ive seen dongles be cracked too, so I dont know, but if it gave us a year or two for them to catch up, that would be worth it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benway Posted September 7, 2007 Share Posted September 7, 2007 to surmise n*10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamakiller4 Posted September 7, 2007 Author Share Posted September 7, 2007 to surmise n*10³ bans/day from a google hit is zippy, all i see is a random idiot busted n*times with the same violation number (prolly same private hack plus guid/key replacement if banned @ n*10²$) click before he eventually gets the message xDLook, the google thing is to demonstrate that the guy is a longtime habitual cheater that has beencheating (on the same STATIC IP NUMBER) for what, 8 years? Im not using Google to display his cheats, Im using PBBAN's on "LATEST BANS" He is in your records (Im going to use the last 3 days) repeatedly using an aimbot from a static IP number and every single incident uses a new USERNAME and GUID. This condition should not exist. If he's doing it, then many are and it means the system is failing. It means they are generating vailid ID's etc. Just because this guy is remarkably stupid doesnt mean they all are. But it highlights a weakness in the system. If they cant keep a guy this obvious off the servers, how can you hope to keep the smarter ones off? Here, I'll color code it - and once again, it's not from google, its from the the last 3 days of the PBBAN banlist. ================================== Dates Caught 6 different names 6 different GUID's 1 IP number 7d6ft234e87gh87y (0216f859) PBBans BanID: 37000 * Date: September 5, 2007 06:11 pm * Game: BattleField 2 * PB GUID: d866b632e9dac8d40b3e3cba0216f859 * Alias: 7d6ft234e87gh87y * User IP: 71.84.236.236 * Violation: VIOLATION (AIMBOT) #50084 * Violation Info: Violation (AIMBOT) #50084 * Caught on Server: 74.52.36.34:16567 * Caught by: i365 PBBans BanID: 36902 * Date: September 4, 2007 03:33 pm * Game: BattleField 2 * PB GUID: e6bd429e10fe8618532007cdb5a49160 * Alias: asdf23rsdf234esdf32 * User IP: 71.84.236.236 * Violation: VIOLATION (AIMBOT) #50084 * Violation Info: Violation (AIMBOT) #50084 * Caught on Server: 74.52.36.34:16567 * Caught by: i365 This player was caught on a server that streams to PBBans.com. Visit us today and ask how you can help keep your BattleField 2 server cheat free. asdf324fwrfwrf23 (2436bbf3) PBBans BanID: 36899 * Date: September 4, 2007 03:15 pm * Game: BattleField 2 * PB GUID: 2eba132a228e395bb6d2689c2436bbf3 * Alias: asdf324fwrfwrf23 * User IP: 71.84.236.236 * Violation: VIOLATION (AIMBOT) #50084 * Violation Info: Violation (AIMBOT) #50084 * Caught on Server: 69.41.232.171:16567 * Caught by: i365 This player was caught on a server that streams to PBBans.com. Visit us today and ask how you can help keep your BattleField 2 server cheat free. sdaf987y22222 (fbb9fab3) PBBans BanID: 36896 * Date: September 4, 2007 02:40 pm * Game: BattleField 2 * PB GUID: 42f2ae6063b2aae6d9923ebefbb9fab3 * Alias: sdaf987y22222 * User IP: 71.84.236.236 * Violation: VIOLATION (AIMBOT) #50084 * Violation Info: Violation (AIMBOT) #50084 * Caught on Server: 69.41.232.171:16567 * Caught by: i365 This player was caught on a server that streams to PBBans.com. Visit us today and ask how you can help keep your BattleField 2 server cheat free. sdf8y34r87h872673847 (380d41fc) PBBans BanID: 36880 * Date: September 4, 2007 11:05 am * Game: BattleField 2 * PB GUID: 72707c2dc788551b419c2849380d41fc * Alias: sdf8y34r87h872673847 * User IP: 71.84.236.236 * Violation: VIOLATION (AIMBOT) #50084 * Violation Info: Violation (AIMBOT) #50084 * Caught on Server: 74.52.36.34:16567 * Caught by: i365 8fd7y34u5yhsd7fh32r8 (edcf07e2) PBBans BanID: 36797 * Date: September 3, 2007 04:19 pm * Game: BattleField 2 * PB GUID: 0877280bd1b06d94805e2520edcf07e2 * Alias: 8fd7y34u5yhsd7fh32r8 * User IP: 71.84.236.236 * Violation: VIOLATION (AIMBOT) #50084 * Violation Info: Violation (AIMBOT) #50084 * Caught on Server: 74.52.36.34:16567 * Caught by: i365 *************************************************************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamakiller4 Posted September 8, 2007 Author Share Posted September 8, 2007 And banned twice more on the 6th with different GUID's and Names, but with the same IP. Do I take the silence or lack of really addressing this post as admitting that PB is powerless even against a Static IP ? =============================== omgcowcowcow (2c43cf5c) PBBans BanID: 37108 * Date: September 6, 2007 08:43 pm * Game: BattleField 2 * PB GUID: f30869a1df2776ee5b7f5b952c43cf5c * Alias: omgcowcowcow * User IP: 71.84.236.236 * Violation: VIOLATION (AIMBOT) #50084 * Violation Info: Violation (AIMBOT) #50084 * Caught on Server: 74.52.36.34:16567 * Caught by: i365 =============================== wqerf897gwhqef897t (177ac628) PBBans BanID: 37103 * Date: September 6, 2007 08:17 pm * Game: BattleField 2 * PB GUID: 16c3eae14db9c9da3383d75e177ac628 * Alias: wqerf897gwhqef897t * User IP: 71.84.236.236 * Violation: VIOLATION (AIMBOT) #50084 * Violation Info: Violation (AIMBOT) #50084 * Caught on Server: 74.52.36.34:16567 * Caught by: i365 =============================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Why not go and ask PunkBuster about it. PUNKBUSTER.COM Last time I looked bf2 was not a free game, and who are we to deprive the game devs of some $$$ Let me reitterate what I have posted already; The one constant that can not be spoofed is the players pbguid allocated by the server when the player connects to it. It is this one constant that is used by all privately run anti cheat sites to manage bans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris64 Posted September 8, 2007 Share Posted September 8, 2007 Last time I looked bf2 was not a free game, and who are we to deprive the game devs of some $$$ Some might argue EA deserves no money for BF2 ;). /ot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamakiller4 Posted September 8, 2007 Author Share Posted September 8, 2007 Some might argue EA deserves no money for BF2 ;). /ot. hehe True dat. Well... Bf2 rocked, but it was all their crappy add-ons and their iron fisted control over ranked stuff that earns them a crapper. The cheating thing is unfortunately a sad reality looking for a solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yourself4 Posted September 12, 2007 Share Posted September 12, 2007 ...it means the system is failing. One of the first things to learn about permenant bans, is there is no such thing as a permenant ban. You can ban people's identifiers (accounts, cd keys, names, IPs, hardware, etc.) but it is impossible to ban a person. To me success is measured by how hard it is to cheat on the servers. If the guy gets kicked within a minute of connecting to the server then has to get a new cd key to reconnect I would call that success. He can't use his cheats without getting kicked, and he will be eventually annoyed into leaving. Remember the goal here is to reduce or eliminate cheating. How you do it doesn't really matter. Nor does it really matter if someone who was banned gets back on the server. As long as you achieve the goal, you have achieved success. As for the person you are talking about above I would recommend IP banning people like that. One easy way to do it is download the ban list in XML format and import it into access. Then run a find duplicates query to see which IPs have been banned multiple times, decide what you want the threshold to be, filter the list then copy it to word and record a macro to put "pb_sv_banmask" infront of each line and upload it to the server then exec it with pb_sv_load and you have all the Dup IPs banned :D. (Yes I know that was one hell of a run on sentence lol.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llamakiller4 Posted September 14, 2007 Author Share Posted September 14, 2007 One of the first things to learn about permenant bans, is there is no such thing as a permenant ban. You can ban people's identifiers (accounts, cd keys, names, IPs, hardware, etc.) but it is impossible to ban a person. To me success is measured by how hard it is to cheat on the servers. If the guy gets kicked within a minute of connecting to the server then has to get a new cd key to reconnect I would call that success. He can't use his cheats without getting kicked, and he will be eventually annoyed into leaving. Remember the goal here is to reduce or eliminate cheating. How you do it doesn't really matter. Nor does it really matter if someone who was banned gets back on the server. As long as you achieve the goal, you have achieved success. As for the person you are talking about above I would recommend IP banning people like that. One easy way to do it is download the ban list in XML format and import it into access. Then run a find duplicates query to see which IPs have been banned multiple times, decide what you want the threshold to be, filter the list then copy it to word and record a macro to put "pb_sv_banmask" infront of each line and upload it to the server then exec it with pb_sv_load and you have all the Dup IPs banned :D. (Yes I know that was one hell of a run on sentence lol.) Good answer Yourself4, That's an intelligent and well-thought answer. You have my thanks for that. I was beginning to think this post was going to collect dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CREW landpray Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Great answer. PB did a great job of catching the player as he was coming in each time. We all have to do our part in catching the cheats. Feel free to jump on TS and tell an admin, they will definitely come in and check the situation out. Reduction to elimination is the key words here. Thank you Yourself4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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