FURION Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 My apologies for posting here, but your protocal doesn't allow a reply in the proper topic/ forum string. I applied for to get the apprioval for streaming as I am running the BF2 AiX mod and streaming is required. I filled out the application and it is in the rejected forum string, it reads I have one already, however the reference is to another clan... I'm sure you all are busy, however furion-gaming and the plain name of FURION doesn't come close to matching the clan mentioned. A moment of time to compare both clans would have produced this knowledge easily. Now my clan is going to be put off another few days because of this oversite. As it is the AiX people who are awaiting this process to be completed are put off as well. It wouldnt be so bad if it were a business deal and the inconvenience of, but this is putting our friends out thier time and effort waiting for you all to approve this part of the process. Yes, I'm slightly miffed, I'm more irritated at the inconvenience than the incompetence. We have pulled from many resources to get this going and would like to do so quickly. Thank you FURION www.furion-gaming.com not Knighstoffurion, or whatever their name is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfy Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 The account that you mentioned has the same website as you've posted above. Therefore it is a fairly safe assumption that indeed you are one in the same. That is why the account got denied. The previous account was created by: FURION ozzon3636 in 2008 Yes, I'm slightly miffed, I'm more irritated at the inconvenience than the incompetence. We have pulled from many resources to get this going and would like to do so quickly. Not exactly the right attitude to give when trying to get help from a voluntary organisation. Furthermore you have no idea how much time is put into each account application. If the above member is no longer part of your organisation, post back in a polite and friendly manner and we'll see if we can sort something out for you! I think when you read how you sound above and that you are way off the mark with your assumptions about our protocols, you might realise it was you who jumped to the wrong conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURION Posted July 27, 2009 Author Share Posted July 27, 2009 What does someone being a registered member of my website have to do with my applying for verification for your pb streaming product on my gaming server? Instead of rejecting the app over someone listed on my website, you should have looked at the server and or placed a few questions in the forums. Simply rejecting the app was not the correct way to handle this. It's not my choice to use your product as I find it intruisive and is prone to adding lag to game servers. My preference is to simply BAN the hackers, permanently. I don't need 3rd party help for that. But, alas, it is not my decision and I am bound to follow the rules of the AiX developers and they want PB streaming on the server. They get what they want and we, well, we are left placing the peices together to satisfy our own people. We should do this dilligently not in some half fashion. Ozzon has not been on our site in over a year and the Knightsoffurion is an unknown entity to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duality Posted July 27, 2009 Share Posted July 27, 2009 What does someone being a registered member of my website have to do with my applying for verification for your pb streaming product on my gaming server? Instead of rejecting the app over someone listed on my website, you should have looked at the server and or placed a few questions in the forums. Simply rejecting the app was not the correct way to handle this. When you are the accounts manager here, then you can tell us how we should be doing things here. Surfy followed the PBBans account management SOP to the letter, she did nothing wrong. Standard procedure is to deny and lock the application - and then allow the applicant to create a thread to discuss it if needs be. It's not my choice to use your product as I find it intruisive and is prone to adding lag to game servers. My preference is to simply BAN the hackers, permanently. I don't need 3rd party help for that. It is neither intrusive, nor does it create lag. I believe you are severely mis-informed. But, alas, it is not my decision and I am bound to follow the rules of the AiX developers and they want PB streaming on the server. They get what they want and we, well, we are left placing the peices together to satisfy our own people. We should do this dilligently not in some half fashion. If you are only coming here to get streaming so you can run AiX - then you need to reconsider your actions here. I would rather have 10 people streaming who did it because they support what streaming is and anti-cheat in general, than 1000 who do it "because they have to". I appreciate it is frustrating having your application denied, but you seriously need to evaluate both your reasons for being here, and how you are approaching the situation. I and the rest of the staff are happy to discuss this to reach a conclusion - but if it is met by posts exclaiming how we are "doing it wrong" - you will not get anywhere... and the chances are you will be met with a less than friendly reception from the site membership, not just the administrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 There was no confusion / incompetency etc etc as you posted on your website. There is no problem with you taking over an inactive account that was first created in 2008. All you have to do is provide a viewable roster on your website, because we are now aware that the guy who initially created the team account is inactive both on your forums and ours. Your views on PB and streaming I can do without. The requirements for a streaming account can be found here; http://www.pbbans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82423 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 **update** I have already amended the details in the old account and set you as the master of it, at the moment I have suspended the account untill the requirements for streaming are observed as per this topic; http://www.pbbans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82423 A viewable roster that is fully up to date at the very minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURION Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 I'm not going to continue a debate on personal views, we can competently police our own servers without PB help. Unfortunalty, the AIX modders have PBStreaming in their protocal for us to have a ranked server, thus we must comply. As AiX grows more popular, I'm sure you will have more like me entering here seeking to fulfill this obligation only, nothing more. It may then behoove your organization to either accept that some dislike being forced to use your program on servers they pay for, or ask the AIX Mod Team to alleviate your pains by removing this protocol from thier process. I have a saying, "It's not just knowing how to play the game, it's also knowing how the game is played." and this is how we decide who stays or goes on our servers. When we locate hackers, it is discussed amongst our admins and then the person is dealt with. I added the code to the server per the guide and our roster is located here: FURION ROSTER You will have to register to gain access. If there is more information required I can rewrite the code and add additional information or rewrite a block with the info you need... no problem. It's not that I am against what PB stands for, I just dont want your program on my servers doing what I expect out of my admins. I trust their judgement over your program and most certainly over the opinions of the thousands who send you e-mails daily. It is unfortunate that we meet under these circumstances, otherwise I'm sure we would agree on policies and procedures for dealing with hack users and script kiddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 We are Sorry, but this section of our site is for Registered Users Only. You can register for free by clicking here, then you can access this section without restrictions. Thanks. Please spare me your thoughts etc on PB software, that is an EvenBalance product and we are a privately run anti cheat site that provides cvar / md5 scans that enhances the regular PB software to better detect cheats, we are not affilliated in any shape or form with www.evenbalance.com Can you ensure the roster is viewable without me registering :unsure: If your not willing to provide me with a viewable roster I will leave your team account suspended and you can stream elsewhere. The only thing that interests me is you complying with our streaming requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodeoBob Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I'm sure you will have more like me entering here seeking to fulfill this obligation only Sadly, misguided and not very well versed in how PB nor PBBans operates. We will be more than happy to support your group's streaming efforts...but please leave the snippy remarks out of your posts. Otherwise, I will gladly stand behind fozzer's decision to ask you to stream elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURION Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) Unfortunately leaving our website or a roster persey open would not be an available option. That would leave our website completely vulnerable to any and all script kiddies and hackers that are out there, I just cannot do that. It only takes but just a few moments on the website to register and login and look at anything and everything that we have to offer as a clan/whole. All I am asking of you/rs is to do the same thing that you ask of us. Farily speaking, I had to register and find my way around in here to get to this point. Any feelings that went out to you and your people that were other than appropriate on my part, I will appologize for and hope to get this resolved and move on with it as soon as I possibly can. And I would have to agree with you, PB is only here for one reason and that is solely to make the gameplay on open/public servers more fair and uncompromised as possible for us all. That is appreciated in all gaming and aspects of such. I thank you for your time and hope that we can move on with getting our server PBStreamed as soon as possible. FURION @www.furion-gaming.com P.S.... ozzon nor knightsoffurion are neither any longer affiliated with our group/clan and I appreciate you removing such from there in here. I never even heard of knightsoffurion or whatever it was, again, thanks a bunch. Edited July 28, 2009 by FURION Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTaz Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 You won't set your roster to public view because you said the "script kiddies" would exploit it? How? There are thousands of other clans on here that have viewable rosters and have no problems. What is the big deal? It seems to me that you are hiding something. Prove to us how your roster being enabled for public view would cause problems. I am having a difficult time understanding this. Please explain.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Guy21 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Unfortunately leaving our website or a roster persey open would not be an available option. That would leave our website completely vulnerable to any and all script kiddies and hackers that are out there, I just cannot do that. It only takes but just a few moments on the website to register and login and look at anything and everything that we have to offer as a clan/whole. So make a new forum section, make it viewable to the public, add topic with member list, lock it from posting, put link on homepage. If you know anything about nuke-evo at all, it will take you about 5 minutes. Or, make a separate html page, upload it, post link on homepage. Or, find a module for nuke-evo to do it for you. So many options. If you can't meet our requirements, then you can stream elsewhere as has been said before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Its because of this kind of thing that we close applications that do not comply with our streaming requirements. I will point you again to this link; http://www.pbbans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82423 If you can not comply with anything that is required for one reason or another, your existing team account will stay locked and you can stream elsewhere. Please do not post up an argument as to why you can not comply, when it comes to validating team account applications, its either our way or the highway, I refuse to make exceptions for 1 clan when thousands of others have managed to do what you are flat out refusing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURION Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 I'm not sure why having one of your guys register is such an issue? Why is this to much to ask? Anyone who's been around nuke understands opening the door to anything public regarding an open source code is asking for trouble. It's called "Open Source" for a reason. There is no real security in Open Source. I might as well scream, "Here's my db, inject here!" So, it'll have to be in html format, I didn't think of that. That's easy enough. A module for nuke evo... that's funny. Additionally, the link I posted above goes directly to our members module. Registration would show you a complete list of members on the website... everyone is in there for viewing. And yes you are right, earlier I was not versed in the difference between your website, PBBans and EvenBalance and have since educated myself regarding the two and the differences between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I'm not sure why having one of your guys register is such an issue? Why is this to much to ask? The issue is that PBBans is the largest anti cheat site in the world and get numerous applications for team accounts on a daily basis, to register on every site just to view a roster etc is not practical for us, hence the streaming requirements pinned topic. Why should we make an exception for 1, when thousands before you have had no problem. Checking a roster is an important part of the account validation process, because we will deny streaming to anyone that has cheaters within their ranks. Now, for the last time, please read this thouroughly; http://www.pbbans.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82423 If you fail/refuse to comply with any of the requirements for streaming, my next post will be a permanent denial one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putana Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I'm not sure why having one of your guys register is such an issue? Why is this to much to ask? Anyone who's been around nuke understands opening the door to anything public regarding an open source code is asking for trouble. It's called "Open Source" for a reason. There is no real security in Open Source. I might as well scream, "Here's my db, inject here!" So, it'll have to be in html format, I didn't think of that. That's easy enough. A module for nuke evo... that's funny. Additionally, the link I posted above goes directly to our members module. Registration would show you a complete list of members on the website... everyone is in there for viewing. And yes you are right, earlier I was not versed in the difference between your website, PBBans and EvenBalance and have since educated myself regarding the two and the differences between them. Now when you know the difference in pbbans, evenbalance and pb software are you sure you need to stream to any anti-cheat organization or just run pb software on server for having it ranked? when we in super@ had ranked AiX server we didnt stream to anywere!! thats why im asking if you know what you are seeking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 http://aixstatistics.com/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
putana Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 http://aixstatistics.com/index.html ok i see we used other Ranking service in our server! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURION Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 Other? AiX stuff refered us directly to here. I'll be working on the html to day some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURION Posted July 28, 2009 Author Share Posted July 28, 2009 No, I'm not really sure what it is I'm seeking here out side of something streaming. When we picked up our AIX server our members wanted the server to be Ranked, in that I was refered to the AiX statistics site. From the AIX site, I was sent here to apply for "something Streaming" and once that was confirmed, then we would have our server moved to Ranked. You site was refered to me as PunkBuster Bans when I asked around trying to figure out why this was a necessity I really got no where. It was your abbreviated name and information I gathered is how I associated your site-program with the ever useless PunkBuster program, it was by name association. My sole reason for being here is to fullfill a requirement by AiX, this is merely a stepping stone for an end goal. My goal is to obtain PBStreaming, your goal is to become more of a entity in hack prevention in the gaming community. This is just how it works. One thing that is an issue, I'm not really sure you understand the potential issues you may be asking people to do when using an open source cms like Nuke, Evo, Platinum, RavenNuke, etc. by forcing them to have an open "public" forum string. Possibly having a universal name and password for your admin may be a consideration in the future. I say this simply because as active and dilligent as we are on our servers, the amount of people we have banned is enormous. We ban not just for hacking, but lame play, glitching, macros, bad language, not following the rules, racially inclined names, racism, explicit names, harassment, sexual harassment, name calling, and more... Basically, if a player comes into our server acting like a smacktard, they get banned. Up to this previous year, I did permitt the use of photo-galleries, public forums, affiliates and the such but recent attacks on my website have caused me to lock it down. I'm relying on ddos protection, nuke sentinel, ip tracing utilities and my webhost to prevent hackers from taking my site down again and so far it appears to be working. I don't have anon posts in my forums strings for porn or insurance or search utilities and I haven't logged on to the infamous black screen of "You have been hacked by..... I'm sure citing thousands of sites that have never had an issue with hackers is easy, I would rebutt that comment with, "They just haven't P*ssed off the right person yet" or have purchased programs which basically are always dilligently evolving to security patches and fixes. IPB like VB is a nice little program. How much it cost you? It appears to have been extremely modded. Did you all do the coding, or have it done for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaydaX Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 IPB like VB is a nice little program. How much it cost you? It appears to have been extremely modded. Did you all do the coding, or have it done for you? http://www.invisionpower.com/products/board/purchase.php $149 I currently do all the web coding for PBBans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTaz Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Here is a comparison chart for 4 community software systems: http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/Invisio...B+SMF+vBulletin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElSeeDee Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 We ban not just for hacking, but lame play, glitching, macros, bad language, not following the rules, racially inclined names, racism, explicit names, harassment, sexual harassment, name calling, and more... Basically, if a player comes into our server acting like a smacktard, they get banned. OK. So... if PBBans followed your example of server administration, you would have been banned after your first post. I also notice you haven't been granted SGA status yet. um... good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURION Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Elseedee, you're two days late from the S.A. comments, try moving forward along with everyone else. On the same token my admins would have looked more indepthly and inquired for more information... tit for tat. Either way, what occured is irrelevent at this point, we've moved well passed that issue. SuperTaz, unfortunattely, I'm not in the position to purchase either of the IPB or VB programs. I have an interest in them as a business manner. I'm on the xtrato.com dev team. Both programs have a lot to offer and are excellent programs, However, I only work on the php nuke side for xtrato. Primarily I do CMS Installations, blocks, modules, coding, updating, minor graphics work and the such are my specialities. Currently I am working on updating all the tpl files for the Xtrato themes. I'll eventually finish the .tpls and move recoding his themes to work with Evo Xtreme (both versions). Have you considered placing a light glint on the circular oval part of oyour logo, in the header? It would really make the logo stand out. It's easy to do... But all this is another topic. Anyways, I'm working on an html document and am trying to curtail it to meet your preferences. What I have so far is just a page with links to each players name and bf2s stats. Will this suffice? I was looking into the bf2cc and saw where our members have GUID numbers listed. Copy and paste didn't work, any ideas? And how many do you want on the list as a minimum? I'm asking for specifics because I do not like to continually redo my work, that drives me bonkers. It's the prefectionists in me, some form of OCD I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FURION Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Uhm, what is an SGA status? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts