UTF_doctor who Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 What's the possibility of someone creating the files for a dedicated server? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNxFatality Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 (edited) Am I the only one who sees a conspiracy theory behind all this? It's plain obvious they just want to get rid of the pc side of their games altogether and get everyone to move onto consoles, where the piracy is less and they can charge us for every download, just because they are money grabbing bastards. tbh with you, it would have saved their rep had they told us it would not come out for pc, rather than doing this half assed effort to give us a game. Edited October 17, 2009 by FatalityUK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel3009 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 im not buying the game now :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 thanks for the audio. Love the response at 13:21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xX_Renegade_Xx Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 (edited) I think they underestimate the amount of backlash this will cause amongst the PC community. We were stung with OpFlash 2, and now we are getting screwed over again with MW2. x2 I am watching the OFDR forums in the 'hope' that they change their minds on anti-cheat, cd keys and dedicated servers. Their is a petition on the IW forums for people to sign, last time I checked it was 49 pages within a short time. I do agree with FatalityUK, talk about kicking PC gamers in the ***** Edited October 18, 2009 by xX_Renegade_Xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kite Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?" [/AVGNvoice] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{GsP}Wildcat Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 This is utterly ridiculous... :( VAC, seriously? That anti-cheat is complete shit if you will forgive my expletive for a moment. I love how they waited until three weeks prior to launch to announce this as well. I may still purchase the game. But only if you can play against console kids, so I can properly pwn them with my mouse and keyboard B) But, I'll likely not buy it, as it will be full to the kilt with haxors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Man Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 This is utterly ridiculous... :( VAC, seriously? That anti-cheat is complete shit if you will forgive my expletive for a moment. I love how they waited until three weeks prior to launch to announce this as well. I may still purchase the game. But only if you can play against console kids, so I can properly pwn them with my mouse and keyboard B) But, I'll likely not buy it, as it will be full to the kilt with haxors. no cross platform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 A lot of birds come home to roost imo, and have all contributed to the present demise. piracy: COD4 forces a pbguid relax setting of 7 on server admins instead of 0 after every map resart, and can only be kept at 0 by proactive admins setting a pb task, its an issue that was raised right from the start, and is still ongoing. It makes it so easy for someone who downloaded the game and uses a keygen to find servers to play on. :blink: IW/Activision and to a certain extent EB have hardly been proactive in combating the issue of cracked servers. So I was surprised at Fourzerotwo expressing surprise at the amount of piracy that is prevalent at the moment. For someone who supposedly has his ear to the ground re issues such as this, it should have come as no surprise at all. anticheat: I can only assume that the better package that fits in with the IW/Activision future plans is VAC, because PB is by far the better anticheat option. All the PB whiners are in for a real treat when they get a taste of VAC in action. Then again, the ease with which cheats can bypass PB software is disturbing, and without the support of private anti cheat sites would be a lot worse. A 2 minute kick for raising a cheat violation hardly shows confidence in your own software detection techniques, and I have always been a firm believer that PB should be the ones to issue permanent bans for cheat detections made by their own software. Innovative detection methods are required and the punishment should fit the crime. PB or VAC, VAC or PB ... those are the viable options for game devs when deciding on an anti cheat solution, and the steam/IWnet factor must have made it a no brainer decision. profits: Any commercial enterprise is interested in one thing only ... the profit margin. A company selling a product will not set a fair price, they will set a price that their market analysts believe the market will bear. Based on the resounding success of COD4 they must think that joe public will pay a hefty price tag for its successor. If they think that punters will pay to play on servers provided by IWnet and they can make even more profit from that avenue, then thats what they will do. conclusion: You never know, this may be hailed in a couple of months time as the way forward for pc gaming. The only thing that will make IW/Activision rethink their marketing strategy is if MW2 fails to sell as well as their marketing analysts think it will, and more importantly if IWnet fails to deliver. The pc gamers that read these forums are but a tiny percentage of the potential MW2 customer base and I believe that despite all the hullaballoo that is raised by the various pc gaming communities, MW2 will still sell well. This will, in their eyes, vindicate their decision to effectively ostracise the pc gaming communities from MW2 (especially the competitive side of things) and they will continue to ride roughshod over everyone as long as the money keeps rolling in. Do not let any game developer tell you that they care about the end user and what they think, the lot of them are in it for one thing only and thats ca$h. And yes, I am a cyncic. :P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xX_Renegade_Xx Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Good post Fozzer! Just out of curiosity, if PC gaming is now taking the VAC route does that mean PB will eventually be no more or incorporated into VAC? (if that's possible). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injuneer Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I think they know that this would be a sale killer and that is why they didn't announce this at the get go and are were counting on a boat load of pre sales and thinking people wouldn't cancel orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Good post Fozzer! Just out of curiosity, if PC gaming is now taking the VAC route does that mean PB will eventually be no more or incorporated into VAC? (if that's possible). pc gaming is not taking the VAC route Bro. Some games use VAC and some use PB. The problem is that IW/Activision are trying out a brand new way of making pc gaming a level playing field by using steam/IWnet and that will include a fee of some sort I guess, not looked too deeply into it because I have cancelled my preorder :) VAC was probably the easier option for them, thats all. For all their sanctimonious blurb, my personal opinion is that IW/Activision have been working on a way to get even more cash out of gamers pockets and the end result is IWnet. The communities that will really feel the effects are the map/modding communities and probably the competitive gaming scene as well. I hate forcasting the future, but all I see at the moment is a game developer trying to milk the cash cow for all she's worth. I hope I'm proved wrong :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaydaX Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Good post Fozzer! Just out of curiosity, if PC gaming is now taking the VAC route does that mean PB will eventually be no more or incorporated into VAC? (if that's possible). If the IWNet / Steam / VAC system works out then I don't see PB being used in future IW games. Most likely VAC is included with IW's contract with Steam or is much cheaper than PB. I doubt PB will ever incorporate into VAC plus PB would be an extra cost. EB will just need to find other companies to do business with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMagnet Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 i'm sure they feel the majority of PC gamers really want a more console like experience fourzerotwo kept saying how it was the same game and the game didn't change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fozzer Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 i'm sure they feel the majority of PC gamers really want a more console like experience fourzerotwo kept saying how it was the same game and the game didn't change Yea, like a broken record. Most of us will complete the SP game in a couple of hours, we buy for the MP side of things, and all what we have known thus far re MP gaming has been thrown out the window. The one positive thing (yes, I am trying) is that it may be better and fairer than the present dedi server system we know and love. I guess time will tell, but unless I see exactly what I'm buying into, my cash stays in my pocket <_> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMagnet Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 oh definitely i was sweating spending $60.00 on it to begin with now i don't have to make that decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xX_Renegade_Xx Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 The problem is that IW/Activision are trying out a brand new way of making pc gaming a level playing field by using steam/IWnet and that will include a fee of some sort I guess.... The communities that will really feel the effects are the map/modding communities and probably the competitive gaming scene as well. I think a fee is more or less guaranteed in my opinion, I mean they could quite easily sell the game for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=GoMg=THE__DRIFTER Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Canceled the pre-ordered server and my copies of the game. Really a sad state of affairs these days with these games. I will stick with the old tried and true games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperTaz Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I got four other people to cancel their orders too. Looks like IW will be losing a lot of money for this game on the PC side. Just think: $60.00 x let's say 10,000 copies = $600,000.00 That is a large chunk of change to just disappear and I am sure when the sales data comes in within the first quarter, they will rethink their stance and fire their marketing team. LOL Read here for Activision's Sales Report for the summer '09: Sales Report Activision Stocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injuneer Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 From what I read on IW forums, $120k was lost in preorders on Amazon alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadWarrior Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Reading this will cause me to do three things. First off, cancel my pre-ordered server. I have not pre-ordered the game because I have 24hr stores here that sell them, and am usually up at that hour, so I planned to just head on over and beat the rush. I won't be doing so, now. Secondly, Post my sig in the IW petition. Third? Head over to my own clan-site, tell everyone to cancel their pre-orders, and explain this, with the above links, and then look towards either continuing with COD4 for as long as it lasts(see it hitting a re-prise in popularity) and perhaps adding a game from another company altogether. What a huge disappointment for the COD-series fans, as if COD3 and W@W weren't enough!!!! Perhaps 402's nic should be put into perspective..... 420......go smoke another bag, don't think you've lost enough of your senses yet....f..kin moron! RW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakzter Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChalky Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Canceled mine way to kill off a classic title IW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hey look another hacker ramped game like BF:H T_T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaLynX Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It would be fun to see the Activision stock fall a little as a reaction to this announcement, but I doubt that will happen. Honestly game devs are going nuts these days. Even Blizzard has announced Starcraft 2 would not have a LAN feature :blink: a couple of months (or is it years yet) ago. (Well, they are the same company afterall.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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